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counting at war ([personal profile] kerpingtack) wrote2011-05-23 01:22 am

hedging my bets

LOL I don't know to whom this would be relevant, or who would even see this, but: if anyone who's not on my friends' list has tried to leave me a comment in the past few months, I'm really sorry! I switched my journal settings a few months ago in a fit of paranoia and I completely forgot to switch it back. LOL someone even reminded me of it and I went "omg yes I should change it" and then promptly forgot about it. So for whomever this message is relevant, I'm sorry!! It's switched back now too! 

I don't really understand what the term "memetic isomorphism" means but I like throwing it around in my head anyway. Ex: seeing two squirrels chasing each other, "oic it's like a memetic isomorphism." PSEUDOINTELLECTUALISM FOR LIIIIIFE

[excised the rest of this entry lol idk I'm fucking fussy for no reason]

[identity profile] rumble.livejournal.com 2011-05-27 04:05 am (UTC)(link)
lol yeah so that creepy creeping anon would be me. :( i'm sorry i linked to your post in the meme, idk if you were all that interested in receiving that kind of attention. ,_____, i do really dig your posts tho, so. C:

[identity profile] counttheplanes.livejournal.com 2011-05-27 04:18 am (UTC)(link)
Oh hi! No, don't be sorry, I don't really mind!! Sorry if I made you guilty or whatever with my... weirdness lol. It just startled me because I've been a lurker forever, I'm not used to seeing my name around. But lately I've been trying to put myself out there more and uh things. idk I'm awkward! ;~;

UMMMM lol while you're heeeeere would you be interested in talking about the Replay MV with me?????? BECAUSE UMMM!!!!! Here's the link if you haven't seen it yet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld95rZy27hI

[identity profile] rumble.livejournal.com 2011-05-27 04:31 am (UTC)(link)
haha you know i woulddd but i'm not sure i've sorted out ALL of my feelings just yet! i mean, do they look shiny and spiffy and cute and new? ofc but i'm forever gonna mourn the fact that jonghyun doesn't start out the song? just because it's how it was 3 years ago and i'm way too old to change into a reasonable person at this age and i still dk how i feel about taemin's voice.

also, i think i might be the only person to feel this way but the whole stepping back into the juliette era, fashion wise~, seems so unnecessary to me? on the other handdd there's jonghyun! and i don't think i'd ever be able to make any sense when it comes to him. and i don't think minho's ever looked so appealing to me, i mean i think my heart legit stopped for a second at 1:24.

mostly i'm just unreasonably happy that they are actually doing things as five again and japan seems to agree with them which also makes me feel so happy :(

[identity profile] rumble.livejournal.com 2011-05-27 04:31 am (UTC)(link)
well i guess i've sorted them out a little lol

[identity profile] counttheplanes.livejournal.com 2011-05-27 04:46 am (UTC)(link)
lol you've seen my posts, ARE MY FEELINGS EVER SORTED OUT??

Oh jeez I can't believe how hard I agree with you on EVERYTHING. I'm trying not to be a crazy stan but seriously, I'm sf DISRUPTED by Taemin starting off the song. It doesn't feel good. I also felt weird like toward the middle of the song when they all like go down and freeze, leaving Taemin singing and then I realized it's because that was ONEW'S line and Taemin ate it up again.

NO I AGREE I HATE THESE JULIETTE 2.0 CLOTHES WITH A PASSION OMG. I ESPECIALLY HATE THE WAY THEY'VE BEEN STYLING JJONG FOR ALL THE JAPAN PROMOS, WHAT THE FUCK ARE ALL THESE VESTS AND SLEEVELESS SHIRTS ABOUT?? THEY MAKE HIM LOOK SF BOXY ARGH WHY

Jonghyun was perfect in the MV. My entire heart crumpled during his scene with Yoona, the derpy dancing and how he's startled by her coming through the door and the bowing and the window washing!! And his smile at the end. He's just soo...!!

Oh my godddd seriously, I agree with everything!! I thought Minho looked AMAZING and sweet and cute. Right at that moment too! And when he's looking up and Yoona and mouthing "so cool," oh fucking goddd Minhooooo, sometimes he just breaks my heart, I don't even know why.

I hope Japan loves them as much as the hype makes it seem. I wish they didn't have to go to Japan though, I'm being like very weirdly possessive about this whole thing. Ugh and I swear I will NEVER forgive Japan if they don't like Minho and Jonghyun. NEVER EVER.

[identity profile] rumble.livejournal.com 2011-05-27 05:11 am (UTC)(link)
yeahhhh i wasn't going to say an awful lot about i because i wasn't sure if it was the whole JONGHYUN OWNS MY HEART thing getting in the way or what. i think i just have issues with taemin's voice in general tbh, it's too whispery and sort of thin? for me. and lol wow, i hadn't even noticed that part but yeah that was def smth.

in general i feel like the only person who knows how to style jonghyun is jonghyun. he looks amazing in all the diff creeper stalker pictures and rehearsal shots just even that post of yours, the gray cardigans and t-shirts and pants that are too fond of his curves i mean IDK but EMI STOP IT, these boys are so attractive it's like fugging them down a little.

i made a list recently of all the people i ship jonghyun with and it was ridiculously long. he just makes everything work, he has chemistry with the entire world basically it's crazy. AND HIS RIDICULOUS DANCING lol i can't i'm in love with this kid what is going on :(((( MINHOOO is so hard for me to figure out sometimes but he's so earnest most of the time it just breaks my heart a little. jongho in general are just these really weird and open and complicated and appealing kind of guys. i wish i shipped them it would make my life easier.

acc to the cultural experts on the ficmeme (.....) japanese fans are in love with ontaekey. which is fine with me. sort of. and just purely from a sad otp stanning pov i like japan because apparently jongyu are the same age and in their new formation they stand next to each other. SIGH yeah idky i'm like this either.

[identity profile] counttheplanes.livejournal.com 2011-05-27 05:43 am (UTC)(link)
oh god wtf all your thoughts are my thoughts, do you mind if I friend you? I'm so bad at this. ;~;

Taemin's voice is pretty but it's really so weak. And he has no identity or emotion in it yet; it really is a watered down, untrained version of jjong's. Uh. To me. I like Taemin well enough, but I'm never going to get over him taking that opening line.

Jonghyun dresses SO WELL. I love his style, he always always always looks perfect in rehearsal pics. I think he can generally pull off a lot of different styles too. For the most part I think the Korean stylists are kind to him; he usually doesn't get the really terrible clothes (but even when he does he manages to make them not seem that tragic /blind stan). But the clothes in Japan, ugh, everyone looks like a hot mess. I hate this Juliette retread so much.

I SHIP JONGHYUN WITH ANYONE THAT COMES NEAR HIM. I want him to have a lot of love. ;~; And he's so open to everyone, that's the thing; he's just so fucking easy with his affection. I love that and I personally really admire that too. I love his dancing, no lie, both his ridic ~freestyling (lol that's exactly how I dance too ;~;) and when he commits to the choreo and looks sharp and strong as fuck ughhh.

I really love Minho, he really is earnest and he just wants to love and be there for people. He and Jonghyun are really good for each other imo, not even in a romantic shippy sense. They're different in a lot of ways, but they're also both so affectionate and supportive. Bros4lyfe~

I finangled the new formation to suit my SHIP EVERYONE WITH EVERYTHING lens too. I hope there's more Jongyu or Jongtae.

I've been hearing that it's Taemin > Key > Onew > Jonghyun = Minho. As long as they're not mean about it I'll be fine but some of the fanarts/comments by jfans are making me >:d. siiigh I'm so defensive.

[identity profile] rumble.livejournal.com 2011-05-27 06:51 am (UTC)(link)
i sound like sucha hater rn but i think that's my problem in general with taemin. he's young and obviously needs to, idk, develop a personality or a sense of security where he's comfortable enough to actually show he has one and jonghyun is the exact opposite in that way- he sort of bleeds emotions? and he emotes like an emoting thing it kills me that i still remember the exact moment i fell in love with his voice because it made my heart jump and do funny things. replay was always such a perfect song because it was so /them/ you know what i mean? it showed off their own distinct color right from the beginning and a lot of that had to do with jonghyun, from that first note you could tell ok this is a shinee song and japanese replay is just lackluster in that respect. it's a little too generic for me.

jonghyun's weird in that whatever state his hair is in any given time makes a huge difference in how he looks overall. i hated juliette, i hate when they give him porcupine hair and HAIR EXTENTIONS ON SHIRTS WHAT EVEN. i think rdd, the blond, i love that hair so much and also that casual little style he had going on right around sm the ballad promos. idk i lost track of what i was saying here?

he's like a heart, almost. i remember, randomly, one of my friends was talking about another of our friends and she said that she was like a heart that grew like arms and legs? it sounds ridic when i say it but i feel like that's exactly who jonghyun is as well. he's just so out there with all of his feelings, of which there are so many lol, insecurities and all. i like that the most about him, like he doesn't close up even with all the attention he has on him.

jonghyun and minho were my favorites in the beginning, i think minho changed so much it's like he's a brand new person. i think he's easy to like but he's deemed talentless so it's easy for people to dismiss him as well. :( it's sort of irrational but i think i like a lot of people for how they are with the people i love so jonghyun and minho being so openly affectionate really does something to me, it's very hard to resist when they just assault you with their pda. jongtae is such a mystery to me! i don't even get it half the time, and i like them a lot, but it's so interesting i JUST DONT GET IT. it's interesting to me mostly because of how jonghyun seems to adapt to whoever he is with and with taemin it's like there's very little room to do, well, anything? jongyu are like a premature ejaculation, they peeked during hello baby, these days everything is about reading too much into their interactions and hoping onew overcomes his fear of physical closeness that doesn't involve taemin (or minho). lmao i sound so bitter about it what is going on here.

i feel like i'm veering terrible off course with this comment i'm sorry lol. anyway yeah i'd love to friend you, i guess if you can deal with this kind of ridiculous commenting we're made for each other.

/friends

[identity profile] counttheplanes.livejournal.com 2011-05-27 09:02 am (UTC)(link)
I totally know what you mean about Replay being THEIR song; it's so definitive. The whole package is perfect.

The thing about Taemin is that I think he wants to improve in singing for the sake of improving in singing, not because he has any special interest/passion in it. I think it's just part of him being ambitious/perfectionistic in general. There's no emotion or attitude or any distinct anything there and Replay suffers from it. Onew losing lines takes strength away from the song too. You're right, it does sound more generic.

Ahh god let me say ridiculous sentimental things about Jonghyun too! He emotes sf well. That's really what makes him an exceptional singer, more than just a good or talented one. Lots of people have the voice and skills but not many have the musicianship. I was first drawn to him because he looked so ALIVE during their performances. He really understands and feels the music. And this love takes over him completely. His body really cannot contain the strength of his emotion.

And he's so immediate and in the moment so much of the time. Like how he said at the concert that before he knew it, they were at the ending stage; he doesn't remember it because he was so IN every moment, you know? Compared to how Key and Onew were thinking and criticizing their performances. There's no room for that with Jonghyun because he's just so much feeling. I think that's why he has mood swings too, lol.

I'd say that he does tend to close up on variety shows or in situations where he's like not sure if the attention on him is necessary? I mean when he's called onto sing he's confident but for other things he gets all nervous and discomfited and doesn't know what to do with himself. But on stage I think he's really so genuine. He's so good at expressing himself in all ways, by his faces (lol), ~his tears~ (lolol), his voice, the way he speaks. I hope that never changes.

His emotional intuitiveness and willingness to adjust to different comfort levels fucking kills me. I really really really love him. I think I understand what you're saying; I basically love anyone who loves Jonghyun too. Or uh shows any interest in him whatsoever. (I ship everything.) I came in late so I didn't actually see the big change in Minho's personality/image

Jonghyun/Taemin is basically all headwork to me. You have to make it up lol because they just don't interact. Like Taemin has been standing next to Jonghyun in the line-up FOREVER and they barely ever talk. Despite all that, I do think that there's something charming and uncomplicated about them. They're both so weird. I think Taemin's in this weird place where he both looks up to Jonghyun and looks down on him at the same time. He doesn't let much happen, like you said; there's very little room to do anything with Taemin. That kid holds all the power in that relationship.

I still like jongyu but ngl I lost a lot of ~belief in it once I realized that it's not as equitable as I, as a crazy stan, would like it to be. I don't want to say one-sided, but it's kinda always Jonghyun reaching out and Onew reacting. This is obvious physically but also emotionally; Jonghyun's almost always the one initating conversation with Onew or complimenting him or turning towards him. And if Jonghyun doesn't make that first move, Onew doesn't do anything to make up for it. Of course this is just what we see in public; I think they're close and good when they're together, but idk, I feel like Jonghyun gave Onew a lot of attention and tended to him a lot, and Onew was fine with that but not especially receptive, or maybe he couldn't express it well, so Jonghyun backed off and now they're just standing near each other all the time. But in that Maypole interview Onew touched Jonghyun unprompted! and according to fan accounts they went out to eat together for Jonghyun's birthday so like, uh idk.

part two lol :(

[identity profile] counttheplanes.livejournal.com 2011-05-27 09:02 am (UTC)(link)
(I'm weirdly bitter about jongyu toooo. People are like ~onew just isn't comfortable with skinship~ but that's not true, he's rly touchy with Taemin and seeks out affection from Minho and molests/whatevers Key and is aegyo-y with older dudes. But Jonghyun is sweet and engages him and imo Onew doesn't really reciprocate it. I still like the pairing, I just treat it as more of a theoretical thing now than a wow look at their actual relationship!! thing.)

In general, to me, if a pairing doesn't work, it's not Jonghyun's fault lol; he's always going to be open and receptive. But I think he backs off in consideration if he thinks the other person isn't comfortable, so the other person has to do SOMETHING.

Jonghyun's late Juliette hair was nice, I liked the longer faux-hawk fring a lot. But the early Juliette hair, early A.Mi.Go hair, and early Lucifer hair (THE WORST) were terrible.

YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH I HATE THAT FUCKING WIG SWEATER OMG

Re: part two lol :(

[identity profile] rumble.livejournal.com 2011-05-27 11:38 am (UTC)(link)
lol i don't know when i'm supposed to stop replying to comments! anyway i have so many feelingssss when it comes to jonghyun and jongyu and onew and their weird relationship idek if it's at all translatable or understandable outside of my brain. :(((

i think there's way more tension i their relationship than most people like to admit, like they obviously admire each other and have some pretty significant things in common but they're also wired very differently and i think they see the world in very different ways. jonghyun's always sure the universe is going to make sure everything turns out great for him, and onew is a little more repressed and careful with his thoughts/feelings/actions/everything pm.

i think they're both similar in that they're both timid and insecure at times and in the beginning it seemed like they got a lot of strength from each other, especially onew from jonghyun. now they're just distant and idk exactly why that is but it interests me a lot. they have a really weird push-pull dynamic going on and i guess that's what keeps me interested even when there's nothing super obvious going on in terms of fanservice and ~shipping moments~ :(

actually maybe i should have warned you that i basically use anything as an excuse to talk about jonghyun and jongyu, i'm pretty sure it's gone from cute and slightly entertaining to annoying and ridiculous if you ask my friends.

Re: part two lol :(

[identity profile] counttheplanes.livejournal.com 2011-05-27 07:22 pm (UTC)(link)
omg this is always my problem, I NEVER know when to stop replying so I awkwardly just keep going until the other person stops. SORRY I HAVE NO SOCIAL SKILLS

ughh seriously, bring it on, I literally want to talk about kpop all the time and no one can ever indulge me enough. I will legit connect Jonghyun to anything. ;~;

I'm not super-invested in Onew so I haven't thought of jongyu all ~that deeply. I agree that they're kinda fundamentally different people. wrt Jonghyun being sure that things will work out, I think after the SSK thing he's been burned though. It's not a huge change but I think he's a *little* more reserved and careful not to show negative feelings.

I think Onew feels overwhelmed with Jonghyun at times because he's quite high energy and moody. Tell me more about the tension and push-pull!

Re: part two lol :(

[identity profile] rumble.livejournal.com 2011-05-27 08:06 pm (UTC)(link)
ahh, i wrote up a really flaily and slightly demented post about it a while back, and actually i just remembered that i don't know your name? i'm serena and i'm ancient.... nice to meet you c:

Re: part two lol :(

[identity profile] counttheplanes.livejournal.com 2011-05-28 03:42 am (UTC)(link)
ohhhh my god I just clicked that link and it's so long, I'm sf excited to read it all ommmmmg

I'm Diane but I'm more comfortable with dane lol, it's a nickname from high school that stuck surprisingly well and now even my mom calls me by it. But you can go with whatever name/referrent you prefer, I don't really care lol.